Is Geoponia a legitimate SNAP Hydroponics nutrient? Social media has been abuzz with this question in recent days.
Social media posts proclaiming that “Geoponia” is a legitimate SNAP nutrient recently surfaced. In these posts, it is claimed that the product has the same component as SNAP and that the product has been developed in partnership with Dr. Primitivo Santos. These claims reached IPB, UPLB and they promised an official statement. On March 1st the following statement is posted in the official SNAP Hydroponics Facebook Page:
For the information of everyone: Mr. Primitivo “Boy” Santos has resigned as Consultant of the UPLB SNAP PROJECT and created a private company to produce and market the same product, and the application for a license to do such had been applied at the Technology Transfer and Business Development Office (TTBDO) of the University (UPLB), and is still in the process of evaluation. Apparently, there had been some misundestanding [sic] on the issue that their company had been allowed to produce and market SNAP solution while yet waiting for approval/disapproval of their application. The UPLB will pursue very soon legal action regarding this issue. Meanwhile, let it be said at this point in time, that the UPLB SNAP PROJECT is the only legally-authorized producer and main seller of the SNAP HYDROPONIC SOLUTION. Please be guided accordingly.
The Institute of Plant Breeding acknowledges Dr. Santos’ previous involvement in the project. However, even though the manufacturer has applied for a license to market the technology the applications is yet to be approved. As such Geoponia cannot be considered a legitimate SNAP Hydroponics nutrient.
The manufacturer is likely infringing on UPLB’s intellectual property rights. UPLB has promised legal action regarding the matter.
IPB reiterates that the UPLB SNAP PROJECT is the only legally-authorized producer and main seller of the SNAP Hydroponic solution and asks the public to be guided accordingly.
SNAP Nutrient Solution for Hydroponics is an outstanding product. Many would be surprised by the fact that SNAP is still only a research output of the Institute of Plant Breeding. The Institute and the SNAP developers has prioritized the continuous improvement of SNAP instead of pushing for its commercialization. Despite this, SNAP has been jump starting successful hydro-negosyos all over the country.
The COVID-19 pandemic has pushed many to look for alternative sources of income. Consequently, interest in SNAP nutrients has increased. This renewed clamor for SNAP nutrients has revealed many areas for improvement for SNAP Hydroponics most of which are best resolved by going commercial.
The commercialization of SNAP has been spun off as a separate project and there has been lots of developments recently.
SNAP Authorized Resellers General Meeting
Last January 28th, a Zoom meeting was held among SNAP Authorized Resellers with SNAP commercialization on the agenda. Listed below is a summary of the meeting’s minutes:
Standardization of SNAP nutrients’ price
Annual renewal of accreditation as a reseller
Bracketing of resellers based on location
Enhancing the promotion/commercialization of SNAP technology
Conducting regular webinars on research developments on hydroponics using SNAP
Authorized reseller validation during purchase of SNAP solution
Improvement of packaging vis-a-vis price consideration
Coordination with established courier services regarding shipment of SNAP solutions to with the aim resolving common issues
Updated materials safety data sheet (MSDS)
Established protocol for issuing official receipts.
Pumice is one of the best hydroponic growing medium out there. Pumice is light, inert and porous. These properties makes pumice perfect for hydroponics as these provides high drainage, aeration and promotes healthy root growth. Compared to other hydroponic growing medium like hydroton (LECA) and perlite, pumice is naturally occurring and is thus eco-friendly.
Pumice is a type of volcanic rock that has a foamy appearance. This is the result of the rapid expansion of gases when material gets ejected from volcanoes and rapidly cools.
Pumice is a major component of lahar and is plentiful in areas around Mount Pinatubo. Mount Pinatubo ejected millions of tons of pumice when it erupted in 1991. Since then these aggregates has been mined and used as construction materials.
Pumice in construction.
Construction sand sourced from areas affected by the Mount Pinatubo eruption are composed of pumice. Before use, construction sand is generally sieved by construction workers before it is mixed with concrete. The remaining material called “pinagbistayan” (or pinagsaligsigan?) is often just discarded.
Pumice for Free
One can find pinagbistayan in construction areas. If the construction sand being used in these construction is sourced from areas around Mount Pinatubo affected areas then the aggregates left over when the construction sand is sieved is pumice.
Be sure to checkout those construction areas for very useful stuff like pumice.
Can’t find pumice anywhere? Buy pumice from our shop!
Here are some of the highlights of SONA 2020 that many growers and online businesses should be excited about.
Retooling of our workforce via online training.
The president recognizes the need for our displaced workforce to be retooled/retrained if they are going to be part of the country’s economic recovery. He has ordered related government institutions to make online trainings free for our displaced workforce.
Creation of a Public Education Network
The president vowed to create a public education network for public schools and DepEd. This will include the most far-flung places where he plans to install satellite internet powered by solar panels. All of this he wants to be in place before he steps down in 2022.
The president reiterated the importance of agriculture and fisheries. He said his government will be working on aid and incentives for farmers and fisher folks in order to boost our agricultural out put.
He put renewed focus on the coconut industry. He also implored lawmakers to put the coco levy fund to use.
The president has had enough of pila or queues. Especially now that we are grappling with a pandemic. He called on government institutions to make government services available online.
Of all the good things I heard from the SONA, this is what excited me the most. The president has called on law makers to protect sellers and buyers online and accelerate the growth of e-commerce in the country. In addition, he said his administration will put renewed focus on helping micro, small and medium enterprises (MSME) in the Philippines.
Strengthening the country’s internet services.
The president has called upon the country’s biggest telco players to improve their services before December of this year. Otherwise they will get shutdown and expropriated.
As we all know by now the president is a man of his word.
Planting the seeds of the future.
I watched SONA 2020. While I may not agree with everything the president does or says (as with any leader), I’m quite happy with the things we agree with. Here’s to hoping that the seeds he planted today would be the prosperous future we want for our country.
Dahil sa umiiral na health crisis sa ating bansa nagkaroon ng spike sa demand para sa SNAP Nutrient Solution for Hydroponics. Gayun din, naging skeletal ang work force sa IPB, UPLB at walang dumadating na supply ng materiales dulot ng pinaiiral na Enchanced Community Quarantine.
Mabibili sa mga SNAP Authorized Resellers
Hindi pa commercial product ang SNAP nutrients kaya hindi ito makikita sa mga karaniwang outlets.
Mabibili ang SNAP nutrients sa mga SNAP Authorized Resellers. Sila ay nag-train sa IPB, UPLB at awtorisadong bumili ng SNAP nutrients sa IPB, UPLB ng bultuhan. Sila ay required na mag-set up at mag-maintain ng hydroponics system upang ipamalas ang kanilang natutulan sa SNAP Training. Bilang reseller, sila rin ay nire-require na magbigay tulong at gabay sa mga individual na kanilang pinagbibilhan ng SNAP nutrients.
Ang SNAP nutrients ay mabibili sa halagang Php 200.00 (SNAP A at SNAP B, isang set) sa IPB, UPLB. Limitado sa limang (5) set ang mabibili ng mga hindi SNAP Authorized Reseller.
Marami sa mga SNAP Authorized Reseller ay nagbebenta ng SNAP nutrients sa mga online stores at e-commerce platforms. Para makatiyak na sa SNAP Authorized Reseller bumibili, maari po ninyong hanapin ang kanilang certificate mula sa IPB. Marami sa mga SNAP Authorized Reseller ay sinasama ang kanilang certficate of completion sa pictures ng kanilang product listing.
Ang administrator ng website ay walang opisyal na talaan ng SNAP Authorized Reseller. Hindi siya kontektado sa IPB, UPLB at hindi rin siya involved sa research and development ng SNAP nutsol, manufacture ng SNAP nutsol at training ukol sa SNAP.
The developers of SNAP Hydroponics regularly conduct a one day training course on hydroponics vegetable production with emphasis on SNAP Hydroponics at the UPLB Institute of Plant Breeding in Bay, Laguna.
HOW MUCH: ₱2,000 (subject to change) per Participant
The training course teaches the participants the theoretical and practical aspects of hydroponics with emphasis on setting-up and running a SNAP hydroponics system; identification of different nutrient deficiency and toxicity symptoms; basic concepts in plant nutrition relevant to hydroponics vegetable production. The training also comes with a starter kit which includes a pair of SNAP A and SNAP B nutrient solution for hydroponics, training manual, established seedlings, coco coir, styrofoam box and styrofoam cups. The training fee is ₱2,000.00.
Upon completing the training course, participants are awarded a certificate of completion, a proof of having been trained and taught by the best minds in the growing hydroponic vegetable production industry.
Completing the training also qualifies a participant to be an authorized reseller of SNAP nutrient solution for hydroponics provided that they practice what they learn in the training course, i.e, a SNAP Hydroponics practitioner.
This is a comprehensive and newbie friendly guide to cactus and succulents growing. Growing cactus and succulents (CnS) in the Philippines can be challenging. CnS originate in areas where it is hot and arid while the Philippine environment is generally hot and humid. Humidity is the opposite of aridity! Without proper care CnS can easily die in tropical conditions.
All cactuses (“cactuses” and “cacti” are both correct plurals of “cactus”) are succulents but not all succulents are cactus. In this post I’ll refer to both as succulents. Succulents are plants with fat leaves and/or stems that are used to store water. Succulents have adapted to arid environments.
In their natural habitat succulents receive very little water. Rains are few and are far between and the landscape experiences dry spells. In their natural environment it is arid. The air contains very little moisture (low humidity) which means water, if available evaporates quickly. When it rains in the desert it floods. The floods carries with it rich nutrients from the desert landscape thus enriching the soil. Remember the rain is not nutrient rich. Only when it hits the ground or collect as floodwater does it get infused with nutrients which in turn gets distributed through out the landscape. Because it is arid the water evaporates quickly.
These are the conditions that succulents has adapted to. To survive succulents generally have the following adaptations: water storage through succulency and crassulacean acid metabolism.
Succulents Store Water
Storing water is one of the ways plants survive in arid environments. Succulents store water in their leaves and stems in the form of juice or sap. Succulent is derived from the latin word sucus which means juice or sap.
Succulents Use Crassulacean Acid Metabolism
Plants transport water and nutrientsin a process called evapotranspiration. Plants draw water and nutrients through the roots. Water move through the plant via the stem. Water then escapes as water vapor through the stomata. Up to 98% of the water taken up by plants escapes as water vapor through this process. This is something that succulents cannot afford in the dry environments where they originate. To combat this they developed the crassulacean acid metabolism or CAM. With CAM the succulent keeps their stomata closed during the day thus preventing water from escaping. To photosynthesise they used carbon dioxide they stored previously. Then at night their stomata opens allowing for the exchange of gases which will allow the succulent to store carbon dioxide in a form of an acid.
Succulents Have Shallow But Expansive Root Systems
As mentioned earlier water is a premium in the environments where succulents originate. When water does come they must make the most out of it to be able to absorb as much water and nutrients as they can before it all evaporates.
During dry spells succulents put out roots to try and find water and make sure they are going to make the best out of the next rain. When rain does come their roots are ready to make the most out of it. They will suck up all the water they can as fast as possible and store them in their leaves and stems. The soil will soon be dry again and they will grow more roots and so on.
That is why it is very important that succulents receives dry spells. It is during dry spells that much of the root growth happens. The more root they have the better they can absorb water and nutrients when rain does come.
We now know basic but important information about succulents. To grow succulents successfully we must do our best to replicate the growing conditions for our potted plants. The conditions, NOT the landscape. For example, you can’t take a cactus out of the desert; put it in a pot using the rocks, pebbles and silt from the desert; take it with us to the Philippines; put it out in the sun and rain and expect it to grow.
First of all, it rains here too often. Secondly the air is so humid because the country is surrounded by water. The end result, the pot could stay wet for too long. Wetness is bad because it promotes the growth of microorganisms that can cause problems for the plants.
Remember, in their natural environment succulents doesn’t have to deal with wetness for very long. That is why they don’t have that much defense from water borne maladies. If they stay wet in their pot for too long. Sooner or later rot will result.
That is why it is important that your potting mix is fast draining, quick drying and airy.
Terracotta pots are the best. Terracotta pots are porous. They allow moisture to escape and thus allow your potting mix to dry faster. Terracotta pots can be cumbersome however.
Your pot should be big enough to allow the root ball to occupy 1/2 to 2/3 of the volume of the pot. When in doubt err in the side of caution and under pot. Larger pots collect more moisture and takes longer to dry.
Be sure that your pot as drain holes at the bottom. Drain holes are required because otherwise water pool inside your pot and kill your plant. It should also be at the bottom instead of the side. Side drain holes still allows a small amount of water to pool at the bottom which will supply moisture through out the entire pot.
There are as many succulent potting mixes as there are succulent growers. The amount and type of materials you use should apply to your environment.
The mix must not retain water. Again it is important that our growing medium dries as quickly as possible. One way to check if your mix is water retentive is by comparing its dry and wet weight. If your mix become significantly heavier when wet, then it is water retentive.
The longer the pot is wet the longer the plant has to deal with the problem instead of doing other things like growing or reproducing (flowers/fruits/seeds). Your potting mix should be allowed to dry quickly. One way of allowing your pot to dry faster is by not using top dressing. Top dressing can prevent water vapor from escaping the pot and slow the drying process.
Plants need to breathe too. Roots need oxygen from the air. In addition, air circulations culls the growth of anaerobic bacteria (bad ones). Air circulation speeds up evaporation too. One of the signs of a good mix is when it makes a faint sound when you pour water over your pot. Those faint gurgling sound is a sign that fresh air is being pulled inside your pot aerating the roots and keeping them healthy.
Proper Watering Steps
Proper watering, again, is based on the conditions in their natural environment. In their natural environment, there are periods of dry spells. Rains (and other forms of precipitation) drenches the soil. Then it all drys up again. To water properly follow these steps:
Wait until the medium is thoroughly dry.
Add water until the pot is thoroughly wet.
Make sure the pot is dry. You’ll be surprised how, even an excellent medium like pumice take so long to thoroughly dry because of how humid the environment is.
Do not follow a schedule. “Water once a week.”, is a common advice but this can be harmful for your succulent. It can take more than a week for the potting mix to dry and if it remains wet for too long death will occur.
Proper Care Tips
Use a Test Pot
Take a pot similar to those used by your potted succulents. Fill it with the same potting media you use with your succulents. This is your test pot. To use simply water your test pot until the medium is thoroughly wet. Take a BBQ stick and stick it into the center of the potting medium. Push it down to the bottom of the pot. Wait for a couple of minutes. Pull it out and feel the stick for moisture. If there is moisture the pot is still wet. You’ll be surprised how long potted media take to thoroughly dry.
You can use it to tell if you should consider watering your collection. Water your test pot along with the rest of your succulents following proper watering steps. You can use the test pot to tell you when to water. Check you test pot for moisture to tell if it is OK to water your succulents.
Don’t Use Sprays
Spraying succulents will do no good because most of them have a waxy covering to keep moisture in and this also keeps the moisture out.
Spraying the growing medium will do more harm than good. Spraying the top of the growing medium can result in bad root development. Remember that the medium should be thoroughly wet if one follows the proper watering steps.
Don’t Use Top Dressing
Don’t use them. Unless, you are following proper watering steps or made adjustments elsewhere. Top dressing can trick you into believing your pot is dry. Top dressing also hinders evaporation. Even if your medium is porous and airy often times top dressing is not. The top dressing prevents water from escaping and can keep your medium wet for longer.
Don’t Use Terrariums
Don’t use them. Unless you’re quite experienced in succulent care. Terrariums act like a humidity dome that traps moisture in. This is one of the worst place for succulents to grow.
Drainage Holes at the Bottom of the Pot
This is very important. Without this your plant will sit in water and drown (roots need oxygen from the air) or rot.
Drainage holes to the side is OK as long as you make sure that water doesn’t pool at the bottom of the pot.
Use Terracotta Pots
They can be cumbersome but are the best option. They are porous and it wicks away moisture from your medium and exposes it to the outside of the pot thus increasing the rate of evaporation. If you are in hurry to dry them up you can use a fan to speed this up further. Air movement increases the rate of evaporation.
Use a Dry Box
It is just a box with a dehumidifier inside. You can buy dehumidifiers from hardware stores. The more you put in your box the more arid the conditions will be inside the box. That is because dehumidifiers removes the humidity from the air thus the name. This increases the rate of evaporation of your pot. It is best to do this overnight so that you don’t deprive your plant of sunlight.
Water in the Morning
Following proper watering steps. If you water in the morning your pot and succulent will be exposed for up to 12 hours of warm temperature and sunlight. Water evaporates faster when it is warm. In addition, succulents (and other plants) generally do a lot of work at night. Topping them up with watering the morning makes sure they are ready for the day ahead.
Give Them as Much Sunlight as You Can
Succulents (generally) are not indoor plants as many would lead you to believe. They live outdoors in the middle of the punishing desert heat. They are not used to receiving very little sunlight. If they do not receive as much sunlight as they need they will etiolate in an effort to find more. They stretch, become less compact, and their stems become weak. Etiolation is not a normal thing. It happens because they are desperate for sunlight. Etiolation means they are not healthy and this makes them even more vulnerable to rot caused by overwatering.
Fertilize in Moderation or Not at All
In the desert, succulents generally survive in poor soil and nutrients are only brought in by the occasional flooding. To adapt to this environment most cacti grows slow. If they grow slow they won’t need that much nutrients. Pumping your pot with fertilizers could be harmful. Always start at half dose and increase gradually until your reach the recommended dose or a sweet spot you are happy with. In most cases you can forgo adding fertilizers because succulents are used to growing in areas with very little nutrients in the soil.
Put Succulents Inside an Air Conditioned Room at Night
Desert nights are cold. Air conditioning also lowers the room’s humidity which can aid in drying up your pots. If you spend your night sleeping in an air conditioned room, consider taking your succulents with you. Cold nights are perfect for your succulents and can give them their trademark stress coloring. In addition, colder nights trigger flower production in some succulent species.
Succulents Photosynthesise at Night
No they don’t. Photosynthesis require light, so like other plants they do photosynthesis during the day.
Succulents Grow Indoors
No, most succulents cannot survive indoors. Succulents require lots of light in order to survive. Growing them indoors will result in etiolation and very likely death.
Succulents Can Grow on Rocks
No, they can’t. Succulents can survive in environments with very little nutrients but like most plants they can’t survive without them. Only the Mexican giant cardon (Pachycereus pringlei) and a few others have developed to ability to extract nutrients from rocks.
What is humidity?
Humidity is the amount of water vapor in the air. Humidity dictates how fast water evaporates. The higher the humidity the longer it takes for water to evaporate. The Philippines is surrounded by water which makes the air very humid which means wet stuff tends to stay wet for longer.
Can I use SNAP on Succulents?
Definitely. If you’re using a totally inert media like pure pumice or scoria you can use diluted SNAP working solution to supply their nutrient needs. The left over nutrient solution you collect after harvest works well.
The developers of SNAP Hydroponics regularly conduct a one day training course on hydroponics vegetable production with emphasis on SNAP Hydroponics at the UPLB Institute of Plant Breeding in Bay, Laguna. The training course teaches the participants the theoretical and practical aspects of hydroponics with emphasis on setting-up and running a SNAP hydroponics system; identification of different nutrient deficiency and toxicity symptoms; basic concepts in plant nutrition relevant to hydroponics vegetable production. The training also comes with a starter kit which includes a pair of SNAP A and SNAP B nutrient solution for hydroponics, training manual, established seedlings, coco coir, styrofoam box and styrofoam cups. The training fee is ₱2,000.00 (subject to change).
Upon completing the training course, participants are awarded a certificate of completion, a proof of having been trained and taught by the best minds in the growing hydroponic vegetable production industry.
Completing the training also qualifies a participant to be an authorized reseller of SNAP nutrient solution for hydroponics provided that they practice what they learn in the training course, i.e, a hydroponics practitioner.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
When is the training seminar conducted? Is there a schedule?
According to CAFS’ list of IPB Short Training Courses pictured below the schedule is officially to be announced (TBA). Schedule is subject to the availability of the resource speakers. Interested parties are advised to contact UPLB-IPB to inquire about the schedule.
Can the training be conducted elsewhere?
A number of hydroponics practitioner, some of whom are trained in UPLB-IPB conducts their own training seminar on hydroponics in different parts of the country. However, only the ones conducted UPLB-IPB or presented by SNAP developers qualifies as authorized resellers of SNAP nutrient solution for hydroponics.
It is a one day training that typically starts at 8:00AM and ends at around 4:00PM with a one hour lunch break. Light snack and refreshments are provided for free. Lunch however is not. You can bring your own meal or your can buy your one in the venue. Please see these pictures from the training for more information.
Where can I get more information about the short training courses offered by UPLB-IPB?
Our holiday celebrations resulted in trash, lots of it. Just hours after the celebrations have ended our city streets are littered with trash. There are news and social media posts about all the litter we generated as the holiday season concludes.
The post above from the Manila Bulletin was shared to SNAP Hydroponics Growers numerous times. It’s a disappointing picture but it is not all gloomy.
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
SNAP Hydroponics growers has been actively seeking and picking up these piles of styrofoam boxes for use in their SNAP Hydroponics setups or for sale to other enthusiasts. In doing so, SNAP growers not only keeping trash off the streets, they are maximising the utility we get out of these styrofoam boxes.
A Community Effort
Below are just a few of the conversations our group had about the abundance of the much sought after standard sized styroboxes that SNAP Hydroponics Growers use. As mentioned in a previous post about the availability of grape boxes in the Philippines, the end of December (the last “ber” month) marks the end of the year’s supply of imported grapes from the United States. SNAP Hydroponics enthusiasts are preparing for the eventual shortage of supply and soaring prices of these styrofoam boxes.
That’s all for today. Thank you to everyone who collected these boxes for use in their hydroponics garden. May this year bring you happiness and bountiful harvests.
SNAP Hydroponics Growers has grown into a community with over 16,000 members. We added another 1,000 members in less than a month without any form of paid promotions. This is a testament to how powerful word-of-mouth can be when backed by a product that delivers on its promise. The past couple of years of experience I had growing my own food with SNAP Hydroponics and growing an online community around it has made me even more convinced in the potential of SNAP Hydroponics. Even more convinced in the potential of hydroponics food production in the country. And even more convinced in the willingness and eagerness of the Filipino to learn and adopt the technology. Even more convinced? Absolutely!
To celebrate this milestone I would like to invite my fellow growers to write a testimonial about SNAP Hydroponics. It doesn’t have to be as lengthy as mine (written below) but if you can why not? Please contact me if you want to write a blog post. It’s a nice way to put your name out, showcase your passion, skills and/or expertise.
SNAP Hydroponics makes growing your own food a fun and rewarding hobby. When you are ready to turn your hobby into a business it is not very difficult to transition to small scale commercial production. Growing your own food has never been this easy. It’s hydroponics in a SNAP.
I’ve been a gardening enthusiast since I was little. Me and my siblings were left to the care of our lola. She’s a farmer. She maintains a small farm where she grows different crops like cassava, ube, gabi, upo, sigarilyas, patani, malunggay, kamote, banana, langka, dalungyan, atbp. When I was little our lola always takes us to her farm so she can keep an eye on us.
That’s when I got started in gardening and that’s when I first experienced the joy of eating home-grown and home-cooked food. My fondest memory of my lola’s cooking is ginataang talbos ng balinghoy na may sardinas (young cassava leaves and sardines in coconut milk). With sardines if we are lucky. Everything in that recipe came from the small farm. It’s an amazing experience that I longed to experience again. Gardening and growing my own food has always been something I’m very passionate about thanks to lola.
Growing your own food can be difficult. I know because I’ve seen my lola do it. Even though I’ve been gardening and growing my food all my life growing my own fruits and vegetables has always been a challenge because my gardening space has always been limited and I’m always at the mercy of pests and diseases. All that changed when I discovered SNAP Hydroponics.
Because I have limited space in the places I lived I’ve always considered building a hydroponics system. However, according to my research hydroponics is not cheap to build nor is it easy to maintain. When I queried for “beginner hydroponics Philippines” back in May 2016, SNAP is the only relevant result and in succeeding queries I stumbled upon the SNAP Hydroponics video which I’m sure most of you are familiar with. It took me another couple of months of research because I’m pretty skeptical about it. Growing plants and hydroponics shouldn’t be as easy as the video demonstrated. Nonetheless, by late July I’m running my very own SNAP Hydroponics system.
My satisfaction with the results? Extremely satisfied and it made me very happy. I can hardly believe it worked so well the first time by simply following the step-by-step instructions (and being patient). From then I knew it SNAP has a lot of potential. Right from the start I knew it is something I need to read more about? and something the rest of the nation should know about. You can read the rest of the story here.
And now we are here with more than 16,000 members. The rest of nation is still curious. I hope all of us continue to spread the word about SNAP Hydroponics. Maraming salamat po! Good luck and happy growing!